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What to expect at the third Jan. 6 committee hearing on Thursday : NPR
The panel's third meeting this month will focus on how former President Trump pressured former Vice President Mike Pence not to count lawful electoral votes. The hearing starts at 1 p.m. ET.
The Jan. 6 committee is meeting Thursday. Here's what to expect
Updated June 16, 202210:30 AM ET
After violent protesters loyal to President Donald Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, Vice President Mike Pence leads senators to the House chamber to continue the joint session of the House and Senate and count the Electoral College votes cast in November's election.
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The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol will hold its next hearing at 1 p.m. ET on Thursday, focusing on how former President Donald Trump pressured then-Vice President Mike Pence not to count lawful electoral votes.
In a video previewing the hearing, Rep. Liz Cheney, the top GOP panel member, said Thursday's hearing would present Trump's "relentless effort" to stop the votes from getting counted.
"President Trump had no factual basis for what he was doing. And he had been told it was illegal," Cheney said in the video, adding that Trump worked with lawyer John Eastman and others to try to overturn the outcome of the election on Jan. 6th.
Thursday's hearing comes after the panel postponed Wednesday's scheduled hearing due to "technical issues," according to committee member Rep. Zoe Lofgren. That session would have focused on Trump's plan to fire former Attorney General Bill Barr. Barr resigned effective Dec. 23, 2020 after disagreeing with the former president's false claims of voter fraud.
A rescheduled date for that hearing has not been announced.
Who is testifying?
Two witnesses will testify in-person on Thursday:Greg Jacob, an attorney for former Vice President Mike Pence. In a memo sent to Pence a day before the Jan. 6 attack, Jacob wrote that blocking or delaying the certification of electoral votes would be a violation of federal law. Rejecting the votes was a strategy pushed by Eastman, a legal adviser to Trump, who wrote two key memos to Pence about how to help Trump remain president.Conservative lawyer and former federal judge Michael Luttig. The retired judge — whom Eastman had clerked for — provided the legal guidance to Pence and his staff that the vice president ultimately used to publicly disavow Trump's demands to overturn the election results. The day before the riot, Luttig took to Twitter with a thread about how the Constitution does not empower the vice president "to alter in any way the votes that have been cast, either by rejecting certain of them or otherwise."
In a 12-page statement first obtained by CNN, Luttig called what happened on Jan. 6 a "war on democracy" and placed blame squarely on Trump and his political allies who sought to overturn the 2020 presidential election "at any cost."
"The treacherous plan was no less ambitious than to steal America's democracy," the statement reads.
His statement is especially critical of the lawyers who pushed Trump to embrace baseless claims of election fraud and bashed the idea that Pence could reject lawful electoral votes as "beguiling and frivolous." The latter was "perhaps appropriate for academic classroom debate, but singularly inappropriate as counsel to the president of the United States of America in his effort to overturn the presidential election — an election he had lost fair and square and as to which there was not then, and there is not to this day, evidence of fraud."
The legal arguments that might emerge
In her preview video, Cheney noted that a federal judge determined that Trump's behavior leading up to Jan. 6 "likely violated two federal criminal statutes."
In March, U.S. District Judge David Carter found that a memo written by Eastman influenced Trump's plans for Pence to prevent the certification of electoral votes and "likely furthered the crimes of obstruction of an official proceeding and conspiracy to defraud the United States."
Cheney referenced Carter's opinion in the first Jan. 6 hearing.
Trump 'likely' committed crime trying to stay in power, judge says in records dispute
"The judge evaluated the facts and he reached the conclusion that President Trump's efforts to pressure Vice President Pence to act illegally by refusing to count electoral votes likely violated two federal criminal statutes," Cheney said that day.
"The judge also said this: if Dr. Eastman and President Trump's plan had worked, it would have permanently ended the peaceful transition of power, undermining American democracy and the Constitution."
What we learned during the first hearing
Thursday's hearing is the third of seven hearings scheduled throughout June.
The committee's first hearing, which aired during prime time on June 9, laid out the framework for the hearings to come. It also began to establish a case against Trump, sketching out a narrative that put him squarely at the center of an election fraud conspiracy that led to the deadly attack on Jan. 6.
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Panel Chair Rep. Bennie Thompson said that Trump earlier that day "spurred a mob of domestic enemies of the Constitution" to march to the Capitol and "subvert American democracy" — and that "January 6 was the culmination of an attempted coup."
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“Be there, will be wild,” former President Trump tweeted before the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol. The tweet is shown here during a House hearing on the insurrection.(Kent Nishimura / Los Angeles Times)
BY JONAH VALDEZ, SARAH D. WIRE
PUBLISHED JUNE 13, 2022 UPDATED JUNE 14, 2022 4:53 PM PT
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After Thursday’s graphic and emotional first hearing, members of the U.S. House Jan. 6 select committee this week will continue laying out the results of a 10-month investigation into what they called former President Trump’s “attempted coup,” the largest probe of its kind in congressional history. And all of it will be aired live.
Through six other hearings over the span of several weeks, committee members are expected to reveal further evidence of Trump’s plan to overturn the 2020 presidential election.
“We can’t sweep what happened under the rug,” Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) said at Thursday’s hearing. “The American people deserve answers.”
Here’s when and how you can watch the rest of the hearings, with a preview of what to expect.
Monday, June 13
How to watch
ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC and CSPAN are expected to air the week’s hearings instead of their usual programming.
Fox Business carried the first hearing live; the more popular Fox News Channel did not.
The hearing will also be streamed on the select committee’s YouTube channel.What happened: The second hearing revealed evidence that Trump and his advisors knew there was no election fraud, yet spread the “Big Lie.” Trump, the committee said, was informed multiple times by campaign staffers and Atty. Gen. William Barr that there was no proof of fraud.
Postponed: Wednesday, June 15What was expected: The committee postponed the Wednesday hearing. (Monday’s hearing was delayed when a scheduled witness was unable to attend.) This hearing was expected to show how Trump pressured the Justice Department to claim there had been rampant fraud in the election, as well as his attempt to install an attorney general who would help him get that done. Trump’s efforts were blocked by Justice Department leadership and by White House lawyers who threatened to resign. Several Republican lawmakers were involved in Trump’s effort.
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Thursday, June 16When to watch: 10 a.m. PacificWhat to expect: This hearing is expected to focus on Trump pressuring Vice President Mike Pence and conservative California lawyer John Eastman to reject votes from certain states and to send the results back to those states. A judge who helped Pence resist Trump’s demands is expected to testify.
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The committee on Tuesday announced two more dates and times for hearings:
Tuesday, June 21: 10 a.m. Pacific
Thursday, June 23: 10 a.m. Pacific
At last week’s hearing, committee Vice Chair Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) teased what the American public can expect from the rest of the proceedings.
The committee plans to spotlight a pressure campaign carried out by Trump’s allies to get state legislators and election officials to change the results of the vote, Cheney said. The committee is expected to reveal evidence showing how Trump asked Georgia election officials to find enough votes to allow him to win the state.
The final two hearings, Cheney said, will focus on the words Trump used to summon “a violent mob and directed them illegally to march on the U.S. Capitol.” There will be evidence of Trump refusing to speak with military leaders to try to control the violence, waiting several hours before calling on rioters to disperse.
At last week’s hearing, Cheney shared scenes from the White House as Trump’s advisors pleaded with him to act.
“Aware of the rioters’ chants to ‘hang Mike Pence,’” Cheney said, “the president responded with this sentiment: quote, ‘Maybe our supporters have the right idea.’ Mike Pence, quote, ‘deserves it.’”
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The Jan. 6 committee has begun to reveal its findings.
Thursday's hearing by the US House committee investigating the deadly Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol turned the spotlight on the pressure put on former Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the election. Not only did witnesses testify that the vice president didn't have that power, as laid out in the Constitution, but also that former President Donald Trump and his team knew this yet continued to apply pressure on Pence to stop counting Electoral College votes.
Formed nearly a year ago, the select committee has been investigating the circumstances behind the Jan. 6 attack and those who influenced the more than 800 people who have been criminally charged in an attempt to stop Congress from certifying President Joe Biden's win in the 2020 election. The committee has had two public hearings so far with at least three more planned for June.
When is the next Jan. 6 committee hearing?
The fourth public hearing is tentatively scheduled for Tuesday, June 21, at 10 a.m. PT/1 p.m. ET.
How can I watch it?
Hearings will be available live on C-SPAN and the Jan. 6 committee's YouTube channel. So far, it's unclear if networks will carry the next hearings live.
What is the schedule for the rest of the Jan. 6 committee hearings?
After the June 21 hearing, the next hearing is tentatively scheduled for June 23 during prime time.
What did the committee reveal in the first hearing?
The first hearing, on June 9, gave an overview of what to expect while also showing never-before-seen deposition testimony and footage from the Capitol riot.
Rep. Bennie Thompson, the committee chairman and a Democrat from Mississippi, and Rep. Liz Cheney, the committee vice chairwoman and a Republican from Wyoming, spoke throughout the two-hour hearing. They revealed how officials from Donald Trump's administration didn't believe his claims of voter fraud, how multiple Republican members of Congress sought presidential pardons for their roles in trying to overturn the election, and how, when the mob chanted "Hang Mike Pence," the vice president, Trump said: "He deserves it."
The second half of the hearing included testimony from two witnesses: documentary filmmaker Nick Quested and Capitol police officer Caroline Edwards. Quested had been embedded with the far-right group The Proud Boys and was in attendance at a discreet meeting on Jan. 5 between the group's leader at the time, Enrique Tarrio, and Stewart Rhodes, the leader of another far-right group called the Oath Keepers. Tarrio, Rhodes and other members of their groups have since been charged with seditious conspiracy for their actions.
In his testimony, Quested also confirmed that there were hundreds of Proud Boys who were making their way to the Capitol on the morning of Jan. 6 before Trump gave his speech that day, which was the catalyst for other supporters to move toward the Capitol, where Congress would be certifying Biden's election win.
Edwards testified about the violence on Jan. 6 committed by the mob of Trump followers. She also spoke about her injuries on that day.
What did the second hearing tell us?
Monday's hearing looked at the false claims made by Trump and his administration that the 2020 presidential election was supposedly stolen, which has been dubbed the "Big Lie."
Video testimony from former White House attorney Eric Herschmann, former White House staff secretary Derek Lyons, former Attorney General Bill Barr and others, played during the hearing, showed those officials confirming there was no basis for the claims of election fraud.
Former US Attorney for the Northern District of Georgia BJay Pak, former Philadelphia City Commissioner Al Schmidt and election attorney Benjamin Ginsberg provided live witness testimony debunking the claims made by Trump and his administration. The committee also revealed the finding of its investigation into how the conspiracies about the election were used to raise hundreds of millions of dollars for pro-Trump political organizations.
What was the third hearing about?
Almost the entire hearing on Thursday was about Pence. The committee detailed how the former vice president didn't have the authority to stop the counting of electoral votes. John Eastman, an attorney who was advising Trump, promoted a legal theory of Pence having this power, although it is not established in the Constitution.
Greg Jacob, Pence's chief counsel, and former federal judge Michael Luttig testified about the powers of the vice president and their assessment that Pence could not stop the vote count. The committee also played depositions from people on Trump's staff who said the former president and others in his administration did agree that Pence couldn't change the election results, even though some still applied pressure for him to do so.